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May 21, 2024

The Conversation

Anne Lamott

In this episode of The Conversation, best-selling author Anne Lamott talks about her newest book, Somehow: Thoughts on Love, her relationship with her son and grandson, and connects with Amanda on her earlier work, Bird by Bird, which greatly impacted Amanda’s sobriety journey. Anne addresses moments from her past when she unintentionally hurt others and offers insights into navigating tough moments. Additionally, Anne shares the impact and influence of her spiritual beliefs and the significance of self-love throughout the healing process. 


  • [2:38] Anne talks about the gift of sobriety
  • [11:15] Amanda talks about the hope the book Bird by Bird gave her
  • [17:56] Anne discusses the context of her new book, Somehow: Thoughts on Love, released on April 9th, 2024
  • [30:13] Anne describes her methods of connecting to her higher power and helpful sayings that relate to her sobriety mindset 
  • [34:44] Stories and personal life examples from Anne’s new book 
  • [44.24] Lessons Anne has learned from life’s mistakes
  • [47:09] Thoughts on recovery and how the earth is forgiveness school


  • Anne Lamott’s journey includes making mistakes, writing, recovery, and self-love. 
  • We have the opportunity to determine our own paths, lean into forgiveness, and move forward. 


Anne Lamott is the author of twenty books, including the New York Times bestsellers Help, Thanks, Wow, Dusk, Night, Dawn, Traveling Mercies, and Bird by Bird, as well as seven novels. A recipient of a Guggenheim Fellowship and an inductee into the California Hall of Fame, she lives in Northern California with her family. 


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